Transcribed by Joe Murgia – If you cut and paste anything from here, please give credit and link to this website and my Twitter account @ufojoe11. Thanks!
Transcript of October 27th, 2018, Italian UFO Conference (Centro Ufologico Nazionale – CUN) with Luis Elizondo and Tom DeLonge of “To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science.” There were various places (mostly during the Q & A portion) where I couldn’t make out what the questioner was saying so I did my best and guessed. I believe that my transcription of what DeLonge and Elizondo said is 99% accurate.
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Luis Elizondo: So before I begin, what I’d like to do is simply offer to you why we are here. The topic of UAPs is an emotional topic for many. And as such, Tom, myself, nor any of our colleagues, are here to change your mind or to change your opinion or change your position. We are simply here to provide you facts and data and allow you to decide what you think about it. I’ll start with our first slide. What I’d like to do is separate this afternoon’s briefing into two separate parts. I think in order to appreciate why we’re here, we first need to understand how did we get here in the first place. And for that, I’m gonna ask my colleague and friend, Tom, to provide that for you. A little bit about his story.
Tom DeLonge: Hello Italy. Thank you for coming. (Applause) Lue and I come from “To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science.” I started this company about two years ago when I painstakingly met a group of very high ranking U.S. government officials. And they kindly listened to an idea that I had to create a vehicle for disclosure. I then met another group of high ranking government officials, like Lue, and we and we decided to expand the effort into something much bigger. We realized that to bring this subject to the world appropriately, it needed to be attacked from three different angles. We needed to investigate, innovate and educate. To the world, we call this: Science, Engineering and Entertainment. There was no mechanism at the time in the U.S. government to do such a thing with the public. It needed to be a private company to start doing what traditionally, governments would do. What you see with Elon Musk and “Space X” or “Bigelow Aerospace” and his inflatable habitats. These are fast moving and robust, private efforts to commercialize itself and create a perpetual way of funding with opportunities. We also need to be responsible. We do need to do this with the governments of the world. It is far too transformative, world effecting and it sometimes, it can be quite scary to people.
“To The Stars” has created a private company with a perpetual funding mechanism. We work with government partners to achieve the revolutionary change in mankind’s destiny. We will study the subject, we will tell the stories to the world and we will build the technology. At this moment, “To The Stars” has the first set of major motion pictures and television series in development, the architectural plans for a master database with artificial intelligence, a multi-year, beamed energy program plan to launch satellites into space with lasers and the robust program plans to achieve the engineering of the space-time metric. And most people would call that anti-gravity.
Through these efforts, we hope to unify the nations of the world and bring an ability to understand who we really are and where we are going as a civilization. This was big step for us to come to Europe and we’re very thankful to be here. And at this time, Lue is going to speak and I hope that it brings you as much joy as it did me the first time I met him. This is what we’ve all been waiting for, for so long. To have a government official from the United States – (Elizondo turns to DeLonge and says, “Former”) – former, that’s right – who ran the UFO program. And now, he’s going to speak to you and help you understand a little bit more about it. (Applause)
Luis Elizondo: Thank you Tom very much for the kind introduction although I don’t think I’m worthy of that. So a little bit about who I am. I’m a career intelligence officer and military personnel. I spent much of my career as a special agent and an investigator. And during that I realized, that fact is more important than opinion. As such, I have tried my best to remove my opinion from the facts and the data. I also would like to apologize in advance if at any time, my answer appears to be evasive or too general. I’m still bound by my nation’s oath to protect classified information. So as such, this afternoon I will only discuss information that is unclassified but I believe still very, very compelling. So let’s go to the first slide.
So the first few slides that I have is a brief background of U.S. government involvement in the topic of UAPs. Many in this group have a far more comprehensive knowledge of the history of UAPS so I am not going to insult your intelligence. But I think it’s important that we establish a fundamental understanding that the U.S. government does indeed have a long history involved in both directly and indirectly with UAPs. The picture you see up here was actually taken by an Italian pilot during World War II. These phenomena were known by the allies as Foo Fighters. These balls of light or these small, shiny discs often perplexed pilots who encountered them. [They were] able to perform maneuvers that far exceeded anything that we had. And you will note that common theme exists all the way up to today.
So I will not got into detail of every one of these bullets. Again, they’re designed to just give you a baseline understanding of our interest in UAPs as a nation. I think the two most important points to this slide is the early implementation of radar…were identifying these objects along with the eyewitnesses. And later, in the 1940s, we had the Roswell incident. I’m not going to speculate in this room what crashed at Roswell. But those of you who are familiar with the world of intelligence, know that a military response is usually symmetrical to the incident. A crashed weather balloon does not usually merit the response of a colonel, several flat bed, military vehicles and an armed force.
In the early 1950s, the United States had another very significant event over our nation’s capital. Once again, these objects were identified both with the naked eye and then again radar. And unlike Roswell, many people had cameras and were able to take photographs. And what you see here are real photographs along with the headline story that came out. We also have the beginnings of Project Blue Book and the beginnings of our nuclear program. I think it’s important to note that, from a nuclear perspective – whether we’re talking about power, weapons or propulsion – these are very sensitive technologies. And beginning in the 50s, we began to notice an interest by UAPs in & around our nuclear facilities and technology. Keeping in mind, this was during the cold war and the U.S. had an interest in identifying whether this was an adversarial technology.
Early 1960s again, we see that Project Blue Book continues and some individuals in the U.S. government, by this time, believed these may be advanced, Soviet capabilities…UAPs that we were seeing.
During the late 1960s, many advancements in our nuclear technology, provided us a significant advantage. And coincidentally, there was an uptick in UAP sightings in and around these facilities. In fact, several of our nuclear silos along the northern tier, were temporarily brought down! These UAPs displayed characteristics far beyond anything we had ever seen. And for the 1st time, demonstrated an ability to interfere with our nuclear strike capability. And of course, at this time, Project Blue Book comes to an end.
Early 1970s. Not necessarily a golden age for the U.S. government. And the U.S. gov’t begins to pivot from a conventional style war posture to a more asymmetric threat. As such, the Central Intelligence Agency and other organizations addressed these threats with unconventional, intelligence collection capabilities. As you see here, the CIA establishes what they referred to as The Weird Desk. Developing and researching technologies such as psychotronic weaponry and using psychics (remote viewers ~Joe) to collect military intelligence.
Late 1970s, SETI begins. I think what’s most important in this particular bullet…is that the title of an entire organization, has the word extraterrestrial in it. The organization, SETI, was a multi-million dollar effort, using radio telescopes for the search of extraterrestrial intelligence.
Early 1980s: U.S. service members assigned in England, over a period of three days, encounter what cannot be described as anything else than extraordinary. The events that occurred those three days make the movie “Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind,” look amateur. Several of those individuals that were involved in that incident, I had the privilege of debriefing myself. Furthermore, information involving this incident, within the next four months, will be forthcoming. Further giving the world a better appreciation of what occurred those three nights. The capabilities that were stored at that facility, were highly sophisticated and may have even lead to UAP interest.
In the late 1980s, we continued to have a steady stream of Soviet defectors. And on rare occasion they would share with us, insight into the Russian, UAP program. Furthermore, on this side of the ocean, you have the now famous, Belgium wave incident. Again, with particular military interest. Now before we go to the next slide, I want to preface that I’m a military man. So my interest in UAPs is not mere curiosity. It is indeed national security. As such, you will notice that the theme of much of this is of a military nature. But also, please keep in mind, that the U.S. military at this time was a global presence. So it allowed us to collect information on a 24 hour basis around the world.
In the 1990s, the U.S. space shuttle program is well into the execution of its mission. In addition, our country’s reconnaissance capabilities continued to improve. And, so does the frequency and the fidelity of information involving UAP sightings. Not only are we seeing these in our atmosphere, but now it appears we may be even seeing them in low-earth orbit.
And then, late 1990s, once again, space shuttle missions continue to report interesting sightings. Furthermore, the United States gains additional access to former Soviet files. And what was made very clear to us, was what we were seeing on our side of the ocean, so was Russia.
So this is going to be the last slide of history for you. Partly because I’m not here to provide you a history lesson but also because I know you’re interested in what we know now. However, it would be unfair for me NOT to discuss some of the bullets on this slide in order to give you a better understanding of how we are here today.
In 2007, my government found it necessary to establish a formal, UAP program. This does not mean we did not have a program before! But because I was not a part of those programs – if they existed – it would not be fair for me to have that conversation. Remember what I said in the beginning of our discussion, I’m here to only provide you facts. In 2007, the (AATIP) program is established and in 2008 in falls within our intelligence apparatus to run it. Keeping in mind, an intelligence organization is used to protecting very sensitive information. In 2010 the program, former director, departs and I am assigned as the new director. But in all fairness, I was just a name. There were many, many other people, far smarter than me, that were actually responsible for the successes of this organization. It was also decided that this program would flourish much better directly under the office of the Secretary of Defense.
Last year around this time, its program director (that’s Lue) decided to leave the government in frustration, based on the bureaucracy. At no time was my office discredited. But having a conversation with senior leadership, proved to be near impossible. The stigma was simply too much. The next natural question is: Does the program still exist? And I am here to tell you right now, the effort is ongoing
This slide is verbatim what the focus of AATIP was and what $22 million purchased. For those who can’t read the lettering, I’ll read it for you: Lift, Propulsion, Control, Power Generation, Spatial and Temporal Translation, Signature Reduction or I guess you say Footprint. And Technology Integration. Also, Very Advanced Materials, Configuration and Structure, Human Interface, Human Effects and Armament. Now, if you read between the lines, you will notice that human effects is something that may or may not be typically associated with conventional technology. And if you look at what the emphasis on the contract was, it says specifically NOT exploitation of current technology. This is not inventing a better screw driver. This is a paradigm change in the way we interact with our environment. This is verbatim from the U.S. government contract. You, yourself can look this up today on Google. The line I want to read to you is very special: Investigate legitimacy of currently observed phenomena. These are not the words of Luis Elizondo. These are the words of the US government.
Last two I’ll read you very quickly: Are they achievable by current understanding of physics and engineering? And if not, what research is required to achieve it? And the picture you see behind you is an actually a picture of the original solicitation contract from the Defense Intelligence Agency.
This next slide is to demonstrate to you why the phenomena has a military importance. But before we do that, it’s important to understand the five observables. Please forgive me, I’m going to provide a very short physics lesson.
The first observable is sudden or instantaneous acceleration. For our Air Force friends in the room, they will have a particular appreciation for this. Let’s say for just a moment that this pen is an airplane. If an airplane is to change directions or points in the sky, there are inertial forces that are experienced inside and outside the aircraft. To put this into perspective, the human being can withstand approximately 9 Gs for a short period of time while we’re in a G suit. From a materials science perspective, some of our most highly maneuverable aircraft can experience Gs of up to 20 before wings begin to fail. The objects we’re witnessing are expressing G forces well in excess of 200. So as one can imagine, instantaneous acceleration would be very important for any country who wants to increase their maneuverability.
The next observable is hypersonic velocity. Not to be confused with supersonic. Once again, let’s imagine this pen as an aircraft. The faster an aircraft flies in the atmosphere, the more changes in its environment. Friction on the nose; friction on the leading surfaces; heat coming from the engines and even acoustic signatures, are all detectable and the result of hypervelocity travel. And as one can imagine, rapid deployment, enemy evasion and first strike capability would be enhanced. In some cases, these objects have been observed flying 8000 miles an hour and faster. There are few but very few things that mankind has developed that can fly that fast in the atmosphere and we know what those look like.
The 3rd observable is a bit of an irony. And that is low observability. Both with a naked eye and electro-optically. As one can imagine, this type of technology would enhance our ability for stealth.
The 4th observable is multi-medium travel. Once again, let’s pretend our pen is an aircraft. An aircraft looks like it’s an aircraft because it is a product of its environment. We as mankind, design things to function in specific environments. As an example, an airplane you can expect to have a nose, a tail, wings, control surfaces, etcetera. While a rocket, that’s designed for a vacuum, doesn’t need wings and doesn’t have a jet engine. In fact it has thrusters and uses a chemical explosion to get into orbit.
And lastly, let’s pretend this pen is submarine. A submarine does not look like a plane or a rocket. In fact it has a propeller and uses a combination of water and air to create buoyancy. And that is why a plane does not look like a rocket and a rocket does not look like a submarine. And they all perform quite differently. Yet, what we are seeing are things that can operate as freely in the atmosphere, as they can in a vacuum as they can under water, without changing their physical properties. And from a military perspective, one can imagine how advantageous this would be.
And the final observable of which we’ll discuss today, is positive lift. Once again, here is our plane, our aircraft. And in order to fly, it requires an understanding of physics. And the forces that are applied to this aircraft: Thrust, lift, drag, weight. And in order to achieve lift, one would normally require some means of propulsion, And there’s only a few choices: propeller, jet, rocket, lighter than air and a few others that I won’t waste your time with right now. But the point being is, that you need sustained movement forward to maintain lift. And yet, what we are witnessing are vehicles that can perform like an airplane, like a helicopter and frankly, like vehicles we just don’t understand.
So, one can see from a military perspective again, if we had this technology, this capability, it would provide a strategic advantage. Now, if any nation had just one of these capabilities, it would be an absolute, game changer in the way we do national security and defense. And yet here we have objects that can do all five. And the fact that they don’t have a flag on the tail or an identifiable tail number or in this particular case not even a tail at all, nobody in my country wanted to have the conversation. So, what does this mean? In the United States, we have put people in jail and have actually, indeed sentenced them to death, in a court of law, based upon two eyewitnesses.
In this case, we have highly trained individuals, who have top secret security clearances, who are trained observers, who are trusted to fly multi-million dollar weapons systems, while armed, and nobody wants to listen. Furthermore, their observations are backed up and validated by FLIR, radar, and other electro-optical data. In my country, if this was a court of law, we are well beyond reasonable doubt.
Furthermore, I’d like to briefly discuss some of the recent observations in the field of science that absolutely validate some of the existing, mathematical formulas and scientific modeling. Achieving much of what we are seeing with the observables, we believe may be a result of warping space time. And not necessarily by a lot. In fact, the equation E = MC2, gives us some insight on how to achieve this. And that is, with a lot of mass or a lot of energy. So, the question is: do we have the ability now, to warp space-time? And my response to you…you already did it three years ago. At the CERN, large hadron collider, a major leap forward was announced three years ago that we are achieving the energy levels necessary to create micro black holes. All that simply means? You are warping space-time. So whether or not we can warp space-time is no longer really a question. Now the question remains, what is the technology required to scale it in a usable manner.
Okay, so where are we now? My government has acknowledged that the program was real. The conversation is no longer relegated to the fringe. In essence, science fiction is now science fact. The videos released so far, despite living in today’s global IT community, were not only acknowledged by the U.S. government, have yet to be proven to be anything else than what was released. If you understand what you’re looking at in these videos, it’s very evident this is not our technology. Finally, U.S. media is reporting on this significant matter.
And our U.S. government is engaged at a level that I’ve never seen before. Please keep in mind, this is not an easy feat. These are individuals who have constituents and have a responsibility to represent the American people and spend their money wisely. So, in order for them to take this seriously, they’re interested in the facts, just like you are. And of course the technology that we’re now seeing still has application and relevancy to our national security military. But, for the first time ever, has the opportunity to be commercialized as well. And our company, “TTSA” is working very hard with many, many partners.
Before I go to the next slide, I wanna make one quick announcement: What you are about to see has never been shared publicly. Our philosophy early on was to cast a wide net. Like any wise fisherman, cast a wide net and catch as many fish as possible. And then throw back those fish you don’t need. What you’re about to see is that net and what is caught. Some of the fish in the net have very likely explanations but some of the fish defy any logical explanation.
(LE puts up slides of various materials. ~Joe) – These are actual photographs of material in our possession. Through various sources, we’ve obtained this & some of this material we have the provenance & we have the analysis from very reputable organizations, including government facilities.
Now some of this may turn out to be rather terrestrial and boring. But some of it, remains exceedingly bizarre, unusual and may not be from here.
So how do we know that? Forgive me but let me give you a small lesson in material science. Let’s start from big to small. When you come across strange material, at the macro-level, you want to identify physical properties: size, shape, weight texture. Then you want to look at its electro-conductivity. And any type of material vitrification or heat ablation. Or anything else I can tell you, the physical environment in which it was formed. And if you find something interesting, you begin to look at the molecular level. Looking at the chemical bonds that unite or bind the material together. Are there materials that are usually not found together. Are there any unusual physical properties associated with those chemical bonds? For example, the way the molecules are arranged. And if you find something interesting, you then go down to the nano level or in this case, the atomic level. And we begin looking at things such as isotopic ratios.
Everything on this planet has a footprint, it has a thumbprint, it has a fingerprint. And when you come across a material that has a unusual isotopic ratio, you have to pay attention on what created those conditions for that isotopic ratio. So if the material that you are analyzing happens to have high levels of iridium or isotopic ratios that are not naturally present on this planet, one has to scratch their head and wonder why. In some cases, these materials are multi-layered materials that should not be together and are engineered precisely from an isotopic perspective. Furthermore, some of this material, we are still unable to recreate technologically.
So this last slide is just to give you a small understanding of the type of work that we’re doing with our company. But please allow me to emphasize one point: An international partnership is vital. This is not an Italian phenomenon. This is not a U.S. phenomenon. Not is it a Russian phenomenon. It is in fact a global phenomenon. And as such, the decision on what we decide to do or not do, is up to you.
So with that said, there’s much we could discuss about this.
Questions from the audience. End main part of lecture.
Q: Good afternoon and thanks for a very interesting presentation. You have spoken about interacting between humans and these technologies. Are you working on neural interfaces? And if you think that these kind of studies are pushing us on the road of hybridization between electronics and biology.
Elizondo: I think that’s a very thoughtful question. I think human beings are already integrated with technology and are continuing to integrate. In fact, we’ve been integrated for the past 30 years. In fact, anybody in this room who has a pace maker is living proof. Technology is something that is as human as biology. For example, I wear glasses to see, I wear a watch to tell time. So the question as to whether technology will continue to enhance the human experience, I think it’s evident. Now whether the question you’re asking involves this technology, I think it’s too early to tell. But I think we would be foolish to presume that there would be no benefit.
Q: Continuing on the same line of the present question…In the future, how do you think man needs to be modified in order to properly guide these devices or control these devices?
Elizondo: Again, very thoughtful question. For me, it requires me to speculate. And in my promise to you at the beginning of this briefing, I wanna only offer you facts. Because one thing I learned in the intelligence world, you can be absolutely sure of something and still be absolutely wrong. So for that reason, please forgive me, I wanna refrain from offering any opinion or speculation.
Q: Good afternoon. I would like to know your opinion on a subject that I suppose would be of great interest to everybody in this room. When we look at presentations like yours, we always start from the 40s and the 50s, the 60s and so on. But really, here in Italy, in the last twenty years, or maybe more, we did not have any special or extraordinary phenomena like those we have seen many decades ago. Do you have any idea what could explain this effect?
Elizondo: I am not sure that’s entirely accurate. I think Italy is a smaller country than the United States. Smaller landmass. And as such, the issue about frequency may simply be a factor of geography. And it a may very well be, the larger landmass and more people that populate that landmass will see more things. I submit to you that a lot of your EU partners may in fact be seeing a lot of things. But without an integrated means to share that information and communicate that information, EU nations remain insulated and unaware of their neighbors. Thus the reason why communication is so important.
Q: We must recognize that the U.S. is already in possession of exotic materials starting in the 30s. Reminds me of the case of the so-called Los Angeles battle in 1942 where (unintelligible) were recovered. Now, if you consider that even on the Internet, you can find Pentagon documents containing analysis of materials that are…So, don’t you think that the U.S. and maybe even also other governments have already completely realized that (unintelligible) possess some of this technology. And don’t you think that this technology, which has already been achieved, in reality, cannot be disclosed because it could produce the total collapse of the system?
Elizondo: I have an answer for that. I submit to you that disclosure already occurred in December of last year. And to the best of my knowledge, no religions have ended and no governments have collapsed. I believe that disclosure is a process and not an event. And I believe if it’s done in the correct manner, that there shouldn’t be any unnecessary fear. This is a tremendous Universe we live in and if the EU finds life on Mars tomorrow, would that be cause to panic? And I submit to you that…probably not.
Q: According to you, does UFO equal alien or not?
Elizondo: No. It doesn’t. I never said they did. Let’s go back to, let’s say, the 1940s. And I’m flying in an American, B17 bomber over the South Pacific. And someone who’s never seen an airplane before, looks up at the sky and they see me flying over. I think it’s fair that the term UFO is subjective. And in fact, here we are seventy years later and there are actually islands in the South Pacific who are building and praying to effigies of B17 bombers that flew over their island seventy years ago. And lastly, I would submit to you that those people with saying to you that it was unidentified, it was flying, it was certainly an object. We need more data.
Q: Speaking about the day of the (unintelligible), do you think it’s going to be something that will happen in the future? Will it be something in the close future, in the far future? What do you think about that?
Elizondo: To be completely honest with you, I don’t think about it. I leave that for people like this group to think about. As an investigator, I’m only concerned on collecting the truth and speaking the truth. (Applause)
Q: My question is a bit peculiar. I hope you will be able to understand. In your presentation, you spoke about psychotronic weapons. As you know, a great person is Major Robert Dean has passed on recently. He has repeatedly declared towards the remote viewer. Myself, I’m a long time practitioner of yoga. So the question is, did you find any correspondence with the use of these psychic capabilities. Did you find ever any connection with the use of these capabilities and the pineal gland of the brain?
Elizondo: Remote viewing is a very interesting topic. I said I wouldn’t give you an opinion and here I’m about to give you an opinion. I think the quantum world, the quantum state is extremely bizarre but very relevant. The quantum world is real even if it’s hard to understand. There’s been much research in the last ten years about human consciousness and the quantum state. I think there’s a strong degree of probability that the quote, unquote, voodoo science of remote viewing is in fact part of the quantum world. There’s some very interesting, compelling data that points to very specific quantum mechanics involved in potentially things like remote viewing. In essence, remote viewing may be quite natural. But I’m certainly not qualified to say conclusively one way or the other.
Q: Among the stories of UFO/UAP phenomena, we regularly see that elongated objects of huge dimensions frequently fly at high altitudes and eject small objects that appear to have the function of reconnaissance. Later on, the developing story of the UAP phenomenon, the protagonists, the main characters of this story wear what look like reconnaissance devices. Further on, let’s say from the 80s on, there were a good number of sightings of things that could be called flying humanoids. Basically, an entity with a sort of flight capacity or devices. Later on, we found ourselves and still find ourselves, we find ourselves confronted of a new wave of a great number of small objects like a small group of birds, flying together, which in South America I call (unintelligible). So the question is, don’t you think that there is a certain kind of evolution in the manifestation of this phenomenon along the years…a kind of evolution which was somehow exposing less is possible, both the devices and the occupants of the devices. A sort of lower and lower and lower to find. Up ’til today, where we have the use of automatic probes.
Elizondo: Let’s start with flying humanoids. Look, I hate to say it but we’re doing it right now. They’re called hang gliders, parachutes and jets packs. So if humans can do it, anything that is more technologically advanced, I wouldn’t be surprised in the least bit.
Now as far as the evolution of sightings? Human beings have always been culturally centric. What sailors once described as mermaids, we know realize they’re dolphins and manatees. We as human beings look at things through a lens, depending upon the times in which we are alive. Thus is the case here in this very wonderful city called Roma and the descriptions of UAPs being burning or on fire Roman shields. So, it’s not surprising that sightings continue to evolve based upon our own understanding of science at the time and what our culture dictates.
As far as the physics of craft ejecting objects? We have observed that as well. But I’m not prepared to tell you one way or the other what it is. But we have observed it.
Q: Can you see the field?
Elizondo: We can. In some cases if we know what to look for, we can actually see a distortion around these craft, surrounded it. We believe it’s a result of the propulsion that’s being used. In essence, an event horizon is created. Imagine a bubble being created around the vehicle and if you are bending space time in a localized area, one can expect electromagnetic energy to behave differently inside that event horizon than outside. So, the energy that goes in that, inside that bubble, so to speak, whether it be light energy from the sun or electromagnetic energy from a radar, is not necessarily what gets reflected back out.
Q: When you’re talking about highly advanced, engineered material, it kind of implies that there’s an intelligence behind all those phenomena. What I’d like to know is…you being the former head of the AATIP project, did you consider the more interesting UAP cases to be driven by some kind of intelligence of whatever origin? Yes or no? And if yes, you must have thought about its motivations. What did you access in its behavior patterns that you have accessed? Are there repetitive patterns? Are there main things that they always do? Something that leads to a certain conclusion which they might repeat? Is there anything that gives you a hint as to what it is doing here? Repetitive patterns, activities or anything?
Elizondo: My colleagues and I during the time of AATIP were very confident that these are certainly intelligently controlled. Now whether that means there’s something inside it or it’s something remote controlled like a UAV, both are still options. As far as patterns are concerned? Yes, there are absolute patterns that exist. At this point, I’m only prepared to vaguely refer to perhaps the potential of nuclear and water. And not necessarily having to be related: nuclear and water. But there are some patterns there and I’m not prepared to go into any more detail than that at this point. But there are some congruencies.
Q: First of all, let me express my great appreciation. Being myself, an aerospace engineer and a military person, who for the first time, attends such a Congress, I really have perceived the technical contents of your presentation and the will to globalize this effort. I think that the real difficulties in this process of globalization, lies in the fact that the media, the TV transmissions and so on, are presenting…the kind of information which is driven by the media continues to be…and even today, lead to the various questions that have been posed. I’ve realized that most of the questions that were posed are of a very low technical level. Very neural and fiber-optical. (That can’t be a correct transcription but that’s what I heard! 🙂 ~Joe) But myself, I’ve got two or three questions I want to pose to you and I want to group them together. The first is…for this effort of globalization of your initiative, it’s extremely important to have collaboration between U.S. and Russia because these are two countries who really have occupied the low Earth orbit where these phenomena would be more visible. This is why I’m going to pose a nasty question: How is it that in the last 12 or 13 years, from the dome of the ISS, no astronaut – western, U.S. or European, has ever had the possibility to see one of these phenomena…any of these phenomena? Last question, last very technical question is, since I know that high temperatures can affect, severely, most materials, I’m very much curious to know the origins of the materials that you have shown. So, this I end and I really thank you very much for your presentation.
Elizondo: Amazing questions. I’m gonna try to answer each one succinctly as best I can. I can tell you, as a private citizen, we absolutely should be working with Russia. And we work with the Russians on many, many things. And as you know, no one gets to the space station, including Americans, without hitching a ride with the Russians. However, unfortunately, politics is not necessarily always in favor of mankind’s evolution. And politics, being run by politicians, don’t necessarily appreciate the requirement for humanity to work as a world. And thus, I would submit to you, ultimately there’s a problem with politics interfering with humanity. We collectively as people, need to put the right people in office. So in the end, if there’s someone really to blame, it’s you and me. Because we have failed to put the right people in our offices. And that’s on all sides.
Now the next question as far as the space station and the last 12 years. May I ask you a question? Do you believe in the existence of blue whales? Do you believe in whales in the ocean? When was the last time you saw one?
Questioner: Umm, in Argentina.
Elizondo: Do you believe in elephants?
Questioner: They told us, that they weren’t eat whales. (Once again, this can’t be a correct transcription ~Joe)
Elizondo: My point being is that there are things we take as human beings, as fact. I’m sure you can appreciate the space station being a very small object, not static. And if I were to call you in the space station today, and I were to tell you there’s a foreign object, two kilometers away, moving at 23,000 miles an hour, what do you think the chances are of you seeing it? Thirdly, I’d suspect there’s not a whole lot of windows on the International Space Station. So my point being – not to argue – unless you’re actively looking for something, or the EU or NASA tells you something, you’re not really gonna see it.
Now to your last question. You asked about material properties under extreme heat and also the provenance of these materials. Heat vitrification and heat ablation are certainly identifiable with objects reentering into Earth’s atmosphere. But those are objects that fall to Earth. Usually, conventional objects in which atmospheric friction affects the material. You’re not necessarily going to have the same effects on an object that is entering the Earth’s atmosphere in which atmospheric friction is not part of the calculus. So in that case, we can very quickly rule out material that burns in as a result of reentry and material with high amounts of iridium and unusual isotopic ratios. But has no physical, heat ablation. By the way, probably the three best questions I’ve ever received. So thank you sincerely. Spoken from a true scientist.
Same Guy: Just five seconds of follow-up for you. As an engineer, I’ve very much appreciated the possibility of interpreting all of these phenomena through E=MC2. This is a very important deal. Thanks.
New Q: I’m a journalist and I’d like to pose a question. I’m also a researcher. So I would like to pose you this question: What is your position on the general quality of information considering the 40s and so on and arriving to today. How do you consider the general quality of information to be nowadays?
Elizondo: I think the general quality of information itself hasn’t changed. But I think there’s more opinions now about the material. More than ever before. It’s in our nature as human beings to speculate. So from that perspective, it’s important we apply the same level of rigor and discipline in collecting the information, vetting the information, analyzing the information and preserving the integrity of the information, in the same manner that we investigated terrorism or espionage. We need to apply the same level of discipline when investigating these activities. In the absence of information, we as mankind will tend to fill those gaps with misinformation.
Q: Thanks very much for a very, very interesting presentation. I would like to pose a question which is in the reality, very, very articulated and romanced, so to speak. I’m aware that I’m risking saying something stupid considering the quality of the people who is attending this event. What you said when talking about the possibility that these objects can manage to move themselves through local distortion of the space-time fabric itself. But this movement could not be necessarily a space-time movement. But I wonder if it could be as well, a movement in time only? And if these objects really have the capacity of traveling in time, would it be possible that these objects that are what we are today, umm tomorrow that come back to see what happened in their past? Because to now, we have spoken of extraterrestrial lives capable of maneuvering or controlling these objects. But as you rightly said, we have been able to get extraordinary results just three years ago at the CERN in Geneva. The interaction that these have had with us really looks like study and monetary. They found an active use of this in the innovation of some nuclear capacity or devices. I’m wondering if these interferences have happened…if you think there is a reason why these interferences in these past few years when through our nuclear devices we can damage mostly ourselves and not maybe someone who… (unintelligible).
Elizondo: I think if I’m correct, your questions are really along the lines of humanity and not so much technology. Let me try to address the first area of your question. In AATIP, we tend to follow Occam’s Razor principle in that the simplest solution is more than likely, probably the right solution. Not always. Whether time travel is possible, I’ll leave that to the experts. But the warping of space-time, as a together, space-time. Not time. Space-Time. Is an absolute fact. Allow me to demonstrate that. I’m standing on the surface of Earth and I drop this piece of paper. That is absolute fact that Earth is warping space-time. And in fact, if I was standing on the Moon, where the mass is much less, or I’m standing on the Sun, where the mass is much greater, this effect would be much different. And in fact, our GPS satellites right now, because they are orbiting away from the surface of the Earth, further away from the mass of Earth, the atomic cesium clocks on those GPS satellites are in fact running at a different rate than here on Earth. So whether or not the warping of space-time is possible, there’s a proof. And that’s not technology, that’s just Earth. So, from our perspective in AATIP, we look at the warping of space-time as part of the natural state of the Universe. One only has to look at a black hole to see the bizarre nature of space-time. So whether or not things are from the future or the past, is certainly beyond my ability to have an opinion. But the warping of space-time is just as natural as you and me. So for us it is more likely that the warping of space-time, given the mathematical formulas, the scientific modeling and the observations, that that is a more likely solution.
(Gimbal video is shown)
Elizondo: I’ll make this quick. Bottom line, here’s an object. We’re at an altitude of 25,000 feet. You’re looking at the cloud tops here. This is an object that is almost at eye level. It looks a little bit like a weird looking, disc. And what you’re seeing here is not IR glare. It is in fact what we believe to be, potentially, a result of the propulsion. In the next ten seconds, watch as this aircraft, or whatever this is, orientates itself at a perfect 90 degree angle, at an altitude of 25,000 feet and yet does not fall out of the sky. If this was an aircraft and it was in fact a conventional type aircraft, and it were to turn like this, within several seconds, you would see the nose of the aircraft. Please keep in mind, an aircraft has to have lift under its wings, in order to fly.
(About to play video of Gimbal again)
Watch the aircraft’s orientation here.
(Gimbal video plays)
It goes from a plane like this, to a complete 90 degree angle. That object should not be able to do that. That object should fall out of the sky. And you’re only seeing part of that video. The rest of that video remains very sensitive. Plus, in this particular form of IR, you should see the heat from the engines, very clearly. And this is just one video that shows something very unusual. And for our friends here who are aerospace engineers, there’s a lot more physics behind this as well.
Now in the interest in time, I know it’s late and probably everybody wants to have dinner now. But in essence, that’s just one of the videos that people are talking about. And you can see for yourself. Other individuals saw this object once we picked it up on radar and were tracking it for a while.
And with that said, what I would like to do is offer my sincere and most humble appreciation for your time this afternoon and evening. I will do my best to get to people’s questions here, afterwards. For those of you who don’t have questions, I don’t want to hold you any more. But again, thank you, thank you so much and I hope to see you again in the near future.