Did Defense Secretary Mattis Know About the Pentagon’s UFO Program?

14 Oct , 2018  

For those new to the subject of AATIP, Luis Elizondo and the Pentagon’s UFO program, read this New York Times article first:

Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program


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For reference, here is Luis Elizondo’s alleged resignation letter, originally posted by Twitter user “Jay.”



The following was transcribed by me from the October 11th episode of  “Phenomenon Radio with co-hosts Linda Moulton Howe, Reporter and Editor of Earthfiles.com, and retired USAF Tech Sgt. John Burroughs.”

Begins at 21:33

Phenomenon Radio, October 11th interview with Investigative Journalist, George Knapp

(Note: This is an edited transcript of the exchange between Howe and Knapp. For the full version, listen to the show.

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Linda Moulton Howe: “Did you ever talk with Lue Elizondo about whether he had firsthand knowledge that Deputy Secretary of Defense, William Lynn, talked with the Secretary of Defense (James Mattis) about UFOs?”

George Knapp: “…We got into that conversation and since it was off the record, I’m not going to get into a lot of specifics. But I’ve followed it up in a public sort of a way in formal interviews that we’ve had since then and asked him, ‘Did Mattis know?’ I don’t think I ever got a definitive answer but the general sense is that he did not. And the best example I had of that is Lue Elizondo’s resignation letter. He had written this letter to Mattis, whom he considered a personal hero and role model. He loves the guy and has great respect for him. And one of the reasons that Elizondo resigned from a job that he loved is that he felt that this subject was not getting the respect and attention and resources that it deserved. That it was really important. That these ongoing incursions into American air space – the cat and mouse games that were played with craft like Tic Tac and Gimbal – while they were not overtly aggressive against our military forces in those most recent encounters, the fact that we could do nothing about it had to be considered a threat. So he wanted to convey that to Secretary Mattis.

“Now I don’t know if it’s been reported on your program or not but Lue had confided, had told us…that his immediate supervisor at the Pentagon did not know what he was doing. His immediate supervisor did not know that he was involved with AATIP, this assignment, this loose confederation that we call a program. But the person above his immediate superior, was aware.  He was the one that was overseeing Lue and this program. The person in between did not. The person who was above is the one who reports to Mattis. So when Lue wrote his resignation letter, he sent it to the guy who is two steps above him and intended it to go to Mattis. But it never got there. In fact, it didn’t get to Mattis until the night before the New York Times story broke. Mattis was at a social event – that’s my understanding of how it went – and someone pulled him outside and said this story is going to break in the New York Times tomorrow and Lue Elizondo is gonna be quoted, after working in this program. And here’s the letter he wrote that explains the reasons for his resignation. And I guess Mattis was dumbfounded. He was, at that point, unaware.

“I think Lue had indicated that he thought…maybe Mattis has been insulated from this program…what was going on. Sort of like a plausible deniability, need-to-know, basis. And he said, look, when you’re gonna to take something like this to a guy like General Mattis, you’ve gotta have your information straight. You’ve gotta have your ducks in a row. And the fact is, we’ve never had our ducks in a row when it comes to this subject. You know, we have bits and pieces of information. All we know is that we don’t know. We don’t know who this is or where it’s from or what its intentions are. And so, I think no one was anxious to take it to a guy like Mattis and say, by the way, we’ve got this problem and we don’t know what it is or whether it represents a threat or not. So, he was never informed. Mattis was never told about the letter, as I said, until the night before the New York Times story broke. And to my knowledge, there has never been communication between Mattis and Lue Elizondo since Lue left the program.”

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