by Joe Murgia
One year ago, the subject of UFOs took a quantum leap forward into the mainstream. Thanks to a top notch source, I knew something big was coming but I didn’t know exactly how it would unfold. Then, on a lazy Sunday afternoon, The New York Times published a story about “The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program.” Politico and The Washington Post followed suit with their own stories and eventually, it seemed like everybody was reporting on a type of program our government had repeatedly told us didn’t exist. Surprise!
Luis Elizondo, the former head of said UFO program (officially known as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program) and current Director of Global Security and Special Programs for the Tom DeLonge fronted and UFO-centric, “To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science,” has been very visible over the past year. A few days ago, award-winning, investigative reporter, George Knapp, sat down with him to get a one-year update as they discussed what to expect in 2019.
George Knapp: “Does anybody at the organization – do you or your colleagues there – pay any attention to the chatter?”
Luis Elizondo: “Well, I think as human beings, it’s natural, you know, that you pay attention to some degree, what people are saying. It’s good for many perspectives. It’s also good, you know, frankly, it’s good, common sense if you’re trying to run a business, from a business perspective, right? I think it’s important. You need to know what customers and consumers are saying. But at the same time, you cannot allow yourself to be detracted from your mission, by these voices. So, if there’s a legitimate concern, of course you want to address it. But, in the same respect, there’s a lot of people who are impatient for information. And rightfully so. I get it. We’re human beings. We want our information, we want it now and why are you holding back? But sometimes you have to let the right people, in the right positions, digest information, right? You can’t expect a ten course meal to be digested all in one bite. It just can’t happen. And for some people – this UAP issue – they’re really learning about it for the first time. Despite what they may have seen on popular TV or something like that or maybe on a movie. This is really the first time they’re being told: Hey listen, Jack or Jane. This is a serious topic. This is something that your Department of Defense has been tracking. You probably wanna learn a little bit more about what’s going on and what they’re seeing.”
Knapp: “What can you say about what comes next? You’ve dropped hints that big stuff is coming next year, 2019. Give me some areas where people might hear some news.”
Elizondo: “Sure. So…you know, when you say something big is coming, what does that mean? Well, it can be a whole bunch of things. From my perspective, my goal has always been being able to get the right information to the right people in the right places. That’s really what it is about for me. And informing those individuals so decisions can be made so we can really take a look at this issue from a holistic, a collective perspective. And then have that information get to a point where now the government’s doing its job and informing people, right? So it shouldn’t be the world according to Luis Elizondo. It shouldn’t be Lue informing everybody. It should be those in those positions that have that authority to inform the American people and my job is to facilitate that process. But I think in the course of doing that, we’ve made significant progress in certain key areas. I think we have a much better understanding of the breath and scope that the Department of Defense has played in recent times. Not historical back…[in the] 40s and 50s. I’m talking, very recent, regarding the UFO phenomenon. I think people would be surprised to know just how frequent and the volume in which these things are apparently recorded and observed by active duty, military people on missions. Around the world, by the way. There’s also some very interesting, I think, congruencies. Some interesting relationships that are just now really coming into light for the very first time. New information that I think if people found out, would be very, very surprised. I think some people might be a little bit apprehensive and scratch their heads and say, ‘Wow, what does that mean for the rest of us?’ Other people might say, ‘Ah ha! I told you so!’ Right? So, it depends on who in the audience will be listening. But I think there’s something for everybody. I think, at the end of the day, information is information and you’re gonna do with that information whatever it is you wanna do with it. That’s not up for me to decide. That’s up for you to decide. That’s up for the audience to decide. Ultimately, I think it’s about informing the people. Informing individuals about what we have discovered.”
Knapp: “Is there a form of physical evidence that’s indisputable, that we’re gonna know about?”
Elizondo: “I think there’s a lot of things out there that we’re looking into to include tangibles. Tangibles in a real sense the will hopefully allow us to have a more comprehensive conversation. I don’t want to lead the cart before the horse. There’s a lot of analysis…there’s a lot of homework that needs to be done. And probably the most irresponsible thing that I could do right now is say one thing one way and it turns out to be something else. So we remain, you know, cautiously optimistic, right? And we’re gonna leave no stone unturned. And so far, the stones that we have turned over, some have yielded some really, pretty fantastic results. But we still have a lot more stones to turn over.”
Knapp: “Your first year, you’ve taken a lot of lumps from some crowds, including some of your former colleagues.
Knapp: “Has that turned around a little bit? Are there now doors that have opened in terms of interest in this? If you can address that at all without giving something away?”
Elizondo: “Yes. There is definitely…I can say as a matter of fact, there seems to be, finally, a slight turning of the tide. There are now individuals that are more receptive to having the conversation than they were even just a year ago. And data is forthcoming. So, that’s a good thing. I mean, data’s beginning to flow in the direction it’s supposed to flow in and decisions can now finally be made that need to be made! So that’s, in fact, from my perspective, that’s a huge accomplishment. But at the same time, we also have to respect these individuals’ privacy. We have to respect their professional positions and allow them to collect as much data as they can before they really do anything with it. Keep in mind, there’s a lot of data out here, right? It would be almost a dereliction of duty for anybody to make a decision preemptively, without having all the necessary data in front of them.”
Joe’s Commentary and Speculation
To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science (TTSA) is a business so it’s nice to see Elizondo not try to hide from that. Here’s their mission, according to their website:
To The Stars Academy strives to be a powerful vehicle for change by creating a consortium among science, aerospace and entertainment that will work collectively to allow gifted researchers the freedom to explore exotic science and technologies with the infrastructure and resources to rapidly transition them to products that can change the world
They want to provide UFO/UAP-related data to the public but we have to remember that while they’re a Public Benefit Corporation (PBC), they’ll have to eventually make a profit or shareholders (such as myself) will be very unhappy and they won’t last very long. More specifically, Jack Markell, former Governor of Delaware, explained that PBCs, “are profitable, but consider profit to be the means — not the exclusive end goal — of their business. They see profits as a means to fuel growth in social impact as well as to generate attractive returns for stockholders.”
On their website, TTSA make that very clear:
“To The Stars Academy is a Public Benefit Corporation (PBC), which means our public benefit purpose is a core founding principle of our corporate charter alongside the traditional goal of maximizing profit for shareholders.”
As far as people being impatient for new information? I see it all the time on social media. Why won’t Elizondo tell us more? Where are all those other UFO videos that Elizondo has referenced? Where are the test results for the anomalous materials from the ADAM research project? Hurry up! Early on, Tom DeLonge said this would play out over a number of years, so I’ve always considered it a long term project. I’ll remain patient, let the next few years roll by and judge things at that point.
So far, I’m very happy with what TTSA has accomplished. DeLonge started a company and provided a landing spot for Luis Elizondo so he could retire from his position as the head of the AATIP program and go public. Without Tom and TTSA, we may never have heard of Elizondo or learned about a UFO program that supposedly didn’t exist. And once that happened, the NYT (and everybody else) had their story.
Now, when I bring up UFOs to random people (I have and continue to do so) and they make that face, I can say, “Have you seen the New York Times article where the former head of the Pentagon’s UFO program went public and a few F-18 pilots spoke about their close-up encounter with a UFO? There’s video.” You have no idea how much I love saying that. It’s very effective. 🙂 Before DeLonge, Elizondo and TTSA, I couldn’t do that. So, I’m willing to give TTSA some time to see if they can take things to the next level.
When Elizondo talks about letting the right people in the right positions digest this information and that some people are learning about the UFO/UAP subject for the first time, I assume he’s referencing our elected officials in Congress who aren’t obsessed with this phenomenon like myself and lots of other people around the globe. For these newbies, the basic fact that something unknown is interacting with our members of the military and humanity in general and has been for a very long time, is going to be paradigm-shattering. Some won’t be able to handle it. So, I agree that taking it slow is the right approach. We already know that Senate staffers are gathering information so hopefully that progresses to the next level in 2019.
Later on in the interview, he mentions people in “positions that have that authority to inform the American people.” Once again, it seems like a reference to more politicians, Who will inform the masses that some UFOs are physical craft that don’t belong to any country and are currently flying around in our skies? Will it be members of Congress? Governors? The President? High ranking members of the military and/or intelligence agencies? The head of NASA? Scientists? All of the above? Or am I thinking too small? Maybe various heads of state will come together to inform the world about our new reality. Hi folks, we’re not alone. Have a great night! All premature, speculation at this point.
Elizondo talks about “new information that I think if people found out, would be very, very surprised.” And suggested that some people would wonder what it means for the rest of us? I can speculate all day long about what that means. Are Reptilian ETs here to feed off of our negative energy? I think people would be surprised by that! Wild speculation aside, I’ll just hope that these revelations actually come about in 2019 and this new information is presented publicly. Anything new within this field is very intriguing to me and anybody who has studied this topic for any length of time.
I think the tangibles, analysis, fantastic results and leaving no stone unturned is in reference to the analysis of various metals or materials that have allegedly come from UFOs. If they get these fantastic results replicated by other, independent labs, it could be a game changer that brings more mainstream scientists into the fold.
Elizondo mentions folks who weren’t receptive to having a conversation about this a year ago and how that’s changing. They’re in professional positions and we have to respect their privacy as they collect data. Is he once again talking about politicians? Or, could he be referencing mainstream scientists? Some of you may vomit as you read this but if I wanted the general population to learn about the reality of UFOs from a science-based, talking head, I’d let bygones be bygones and pull Seth Shostak and Neil deGrasse Tyson (let’s forget about the sexual misconduct allegations against NdT for now) into the Pentagon and show them some data that will knock their socks off. I’d say, “You wanna see the entire Gimbal video, guys? Here ya go! Care to speak with all the pilots involved? We can arrange that. But you have to promise you’ll share what you’ve learned with the general public. It’s time for them to know.”
I’m no fan of either of those guys and their egos but a lot of people listen to what they have to say so I’d be fine with them spilling the beans. Maybe Shostak has already been educated about what’s coming in 2019? That could explain why he’s softened his stance on the possibility that we’re being visited by some sort of artificial intelligence that has an infinite lifespan. And NdT has 13 million followers on Twitter. That’s a powerful audience. Many of whom take every word he says as gospel. He’d have to swallow his pride and walk back his, “Call me when you have a dinner invite from an alien,” response to the UFO videos that were released by the Pentagon. Could he pull it off? I’m willing to give it a shot.
Whatever the plan is for 2019, if it’s as good as what happened on December 16th, 2017 and the weeks and months after, the world is about to be given a shock that may change how we look at ourselves and our place in the Universe. Then again, the masses could hear new data, realize that we’re not alone and give it a giant yawn as they go back to keeping track of celebrities on Instagram. It wouldn’t be the first time and unfortunately, it wouldn’t surprise me.
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