by Joe Murgia – @ufojoe11 on Twitter.
H/T: Danny Silva for alerting me to Elizondo’s appearance on Tucker and for reminding me where to look for certain Elizondo quotes that I included below. Here’s Danny’s article.
Transcript of Luis Elizondo on “Tucker Carlson Tonight” from October 4th, 2019.
Tucker Carlson (TC): Just a few weeks ago, the Navy admitted for the first time that several UFO videos were real. Meaning they show actual, area phenomenon (he meant, Aerial Phenomena ~Joe) that so far, the Pentagon cannot explain. Now a UFO investigation’s group says they have found materials that could potentially be physical evidence of UFOs. Luis Elizondo is Director of Special Programs at the To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science. He also headed the Pentagon’s office for investigating UFO incidents and is the star of the History Channel’s “Unidentified.” He joins us tonight. Luis, thanks so much for coming on.
Luis Elizondo (LE): Thank you for having me.
TC: So, what is this material? And why could it shed light on the question of what UFOs might be?
LE: Sure. Well our company, over the last year and a half has actually taken [in] quite a bit of material. And let me first preface by saying some of that material that’s provenance is, frankly hearsay. While other…the provenance of some of this material is…has been substantiated. And ultimately, we’re in the process of analyzing material at three different levels. We’re looking at its physical properties, it’s chemical or, if you will, molecular properties and then ultimately, its atomic properties. And it’s really at that point, we’ll be able to make some sort of definitive conclusion. Keeping in mind that we still have to follow the scientific process and methods and at the same time, have peer review. So it’s not just as simple as coming out and saying, “Hey, look what we found!” There’s a lot of work that still needs to be done.
TC: I bet that’s right and of course, you’ll be challenged as you outta be challenged, I think.
TC: Quickly sum it up for us. Why do you think this material might be connected to UFOs?
LE: Well, without getting into a lot of detail right now because it’s…frankly, it’s too speculative for me at this point to say why I think something. At the end of the day, it’s going to be what the analysis tells us. And if you have, for example, interesting isotopic ratios that are not normally found, let’s say, on this planet, then you have to scratch your head and either…A: It’s been engineered that way or B: It came from somewhere else. And ultimately, that’s what we’re trying to find out.
TC: So these are materials brought to you by people who say this is at the site of a UFO incident or a crash?
LE: In some cases, yes. Again…unfortunately, I can’t elaborate too much with some of these individuals. We do have non-disclosure agreements but it’s from various sources. Both private and governmental.
TC: It goes without saying that I hope you’ll come back as you get to the bottom of this. We remain skeptical but open minded on this and all things. Luis, great to see you. Thank you so much.
LE: Yes sir. Thank you for having me.
TC: Of course.
LE: Absolutely. Thank you.
During his lecture in Italy last year, Elizondo had a little bit more to say about how these materials are analyzed:
These are actual photographs of material in our possession. Through various sources, we’ve obtained this & some of this material we have the provenance & we have the analysis from very reputable organizations, including government facilities.
Now some of this may turn out to be rather terrestrial and boring. But some of it, remains exceedingly bizarre, unusual and may not be from here.
So how do we know that? Forgive me but let me give you a small lesson in material science. Let’s start from big to small. When you come across strange material, at the macro-level, you want to identify physical properties: size, shape, weight texture. Then you want to look at its electro-conductivity. And any type of material vitrification or heat ablation. Or anything else I can tell you, the physical environment in which it was formed. And if you find something interesting, you begin to look at the molecular level. Looking at the chemical bonds that unite or bind the material together. Are there materials that are usually not found together? Are there any unusual physical properties associated with those chemical bonds? For example, the way the molecules are arranged. And if you find something interesting, you then go down to the nano level or in this case, the atomic level. And we begin looking at things such as isotopic ratios.
Everything on this planet has a footprint, it has a thumbprint, it has a fingerprint. And when you come across a material that has a unusual isotopic ratio, you have to pay attention on what created those conditions for that isotopic ratio. So if the material that you are analyzing happens to have high levels of iridium or isotopic ratios that are not naturally present on this planet, one has to scratch their head and wonder why. In some cases, these materials are multi-layered materials that should not be together and are engineered precisely from an isotopic perspective. Furthermore, some of this material, we are still unable to recreate technologically.
And during his lecture for the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies in 2019, Elizondo spilled the beans that information related to these special materials has, “been briefed to some very, very senior levels of this government.”
Alright, so here’s the slide that everybody wants to talk about and see. All of those products that came out of the last space race required material science. Scientists, in some cases like you that are sitting in this room…we need your help. You don’t have the material. You don’t have the analysis. You don’t have the data. You got nothing! So this is why forums like yours are so important. You gotta have scientists, at the end of the day, to figure out just what the hell it is we’re looking at. What makes this material so special? Now in some cases, this material was told it’s special. Through analysis, guess what? Meh, not so special. But some of it, is absolutely special. I won’t point out which ones on that slide but there are some that are absolutely special and have been briefed to some very, very senior levels of this government. And they do remarkable and extraordinary things. And they’re built in such a way that to this day, we still can’t replicate them. To this day. So that should be very telling.
Material science is a critical piece to this. We can’t just sit there and say, a ha, I told you so. That’s not what this is about. This effort is not about satisfying the natural curiosity of people who want to know right now. As I said before, there’s a difference between giving information right and giving it right now. I’m not in the business of giving information right now. I’d rather give it to you, right. So, you have to do due diligence. You have to understand what it takes to do the analysis and to respect the scientific method. And to respect the people you’re working with in government whether it be the legislative branch or the executive branch. You’ve got to give people time. You have been steeped, many of you in this, for decades. Some of these people are learning about this for the very first time. No kidding. They’ll scratch their head and say, ‘Wait a minute. That’s real?’ Yeah, it’s real! Imagine that.
So, you gotta give them time and then they have to make decisions. Cause you can imagine, with something like this, there’s all sorts of agencies and organizations that have an interest in this. I can’t tell you which ones, unfortunately, but you can use your imagination. And it’s not just propulsion. There’s other organizations that can look at this, you know, and say…let’s say from an armor perspective. Right? I put x amount of pounds of armor on a vehicle that slow me down and weight me down. What if I didn’t have to have armor at all? What if I had a way with certain material where bullets didn’t matter any more? They didn’t do anything to me.
So, we’re taking this step by step. I know people are hungry for information and data. I do believe it’s forthcoming. But it has to be done the right way. And by the way, let me caveat that, too because people say, ‘Well, is the right way, your way?’ No, it’s not my way. It’s not my way at all. But we have to respect the people that are involved. We have to give them the flexibility and latitude to take this in and start making the right decisions. And you wanna always make sure that your executive branch and your legislative branch are duly informed. You don’t want one being informed and not the other. Politics aside. I don’t care if you’re a Republican, Democrat, Independent, you know, Tea Party, Don’t know. Don’t care. The bottom line is when you serve as a government servant like I did, it’s is our duty and responsibility to inform leadership and the executive branch.Doesn’t matter who’s in charge. And in turn, you also have to make sure that the legislative branch is also informed. And you don’t want one having more information than the other. Cause then, they get mad. So, it takes time. It takes time.
Check out the clear pics of the slides Elizondo referenced, over at my good friend, Danny Silva’s blog.
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